As a child, Andray was taught to look up to Anne C. Cools, the first black member of Canada’s Senate. Born in Barbados, she spent her early life as a social worker and pioneer in the field of domestic violence before spending over three decades in the upper house.

Andray’s views change when he hears Desmond’s interview with the senator. Desmond sets out to talk to her about the recent expense probes, the role of the Senate and her activist past. They get to all that, but the conversation takes a far more contentious tone than planned.

Towards the end of the interview, Senator Cools says there is “mutuality and symmetry in domestic violence.” Here is some data from Statistics Canada.