Guests: Ryan McMahon, comedian and host of the Thunder Bay podcast.

Karyn Pugliese, Nieman Journalism Fellow, former executive producer at APTN, and future journalism professor at Ryerson University.

From the show: Read Kenneth Jackson’s APTN investigation into deaths in the child welfare system here:

Death as Expected: Inside a child welfare system where 102 Indigenous kids died over 5 years

This episode is sponsored by Freshbooks: