As a foreign war correspondent, Jeremy Scahill revealed secret military campaigns in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia that resulted in Congressional investigations. His books Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Most Powerful Mercenary Army and Dirty Wars: The World Is a Battlefield were widely celebrated and he could have gotten a high-profile job in mainstream media.

Instead, he became a founding editor of The Intercept, a news outlet dedicated to “fearless, adversarial journalism.” He hosts their podcast, Intercepted.

Jeremy Scahill talks about who Canada is killing overseas, excoriating mainstream networks on their own platforms rather than embracing them, and why he hopes the media is learning lessons right now that they will carry beyond Trump.